Film Theory: Spiderman vs Spiderman Battle Royale!

Film Theory: Spiderman vs Spiderman Battle Royale!


We now return to the continuing Adventures of Theory Man! “Help! He stole my purse!” Can’t help you there but, did you know that Ant-Man could’ve saved half the universe by crawling up Thanos’s anus. Oh um. Thanks? Theory Man away! Once again, the day has been saved. Thank you, Theory Man. Thank you. Hello internet welcome to Film Theory, where today we’ve got an episode that’s sure to get all your Peters tingling. For two decades, we’ve been inundated with Spider-Man. Films, series, video games and oh so many memes. This summer’s release of Spider-Man: Far From Home gives us our third live-action Spider-Man movie franchise in just 17 years. So, as our universe, not to mention the rest of the multiverse approaches complete Spidey saturation, it’s time to figure out once and for all who wins the Spider-Man Battle Royale. Which Spidey reigns supreme? First, let’s set our ground rules and clarify what this video is and what it is not. This is a comparison of the observable, measurable Spider powers demonstrated on-screen by our beloved webhead. Only the theatrically released feature-length Spider-Man films will be considered. This is not a popularity contest nor, is it a Best Actor contest nor, is it a Best Hair contest ’cause let’s be honest, that one is no contest at all. Andrew Garfield, you have got yourself some remarkable hair. And, what we’re answering today is actually pretty darn simple, “Which Spidey would win in a head-to-head fight?” Three franchises, three Spider-Man’s. Tobey Maguire’s Peter Parker in Sam Raimi’s Spider-man trilogy. Andrew Garfield’s Peter Parker in Marc Webb’s “The Amazing Spider-Man” franchise. And now, Tom Holland as the MCU’s Golden Boy, Peter Parker. In our theoretical Battle Royale, everyone is gonna fight in their standard costume. That means Tobey Maguire’s character doesn’t have to fight in his Homemade-Human-Spider Costume but, he also doesn’t get the Black-Symbiote Suit either. Likewise, Tom Holland’s Spider-Man doesn’t have to wear his homemade costume but, he’s also not gonna get access to the Iron-Spider Suit or Stealth-Spider Suit featured in “Far From Home.” Our goal here is to eliminate as many variables as possible so we can judge them based purely on their Spider- Manliness alone. Our Spider-Man will be judged across three categories strength, web, and agility. Which necessarily takes Spider-Sense into consideration. From those three categories, which ideally are boiling down the essentials of any good Spider-Man in battle situations, we’ll be able to determine which Spider-Man reigns supreme. Round 1! Strength! This one is actually a pretty straight forward category because the films give us really clear data to work with. It’s actually incredible. It’s kinda nice not to have to, like, backdoor our way into these things for a change. All three of our Spider-Men in their respective films basically, do the equivalent of the Hercules Hold from the World’s Strongest Man competition. (OKAY) Toby with the speeding train, Tom with a ferry that’s been sliced in half, and Andrew with a car dangling off a bridge. So, which super impressive feat is the most super impressive in the immortal words of Olivia Newton-John or more accurately for our case the immortal words of Newton comma Sir Isaac, “Let’s get PHYSICS-AL” *funny Mat :|* Associate professor Michael Milford and research fellow Juck C.Lightner of Queensland University of Technology tackled the Hercules Hold moment from Spider-Man: Homecoming determining that Tom Holland’s character applied a force of over 31,000,000 Newtons in order to keep that ferry together. Which he managed to do single-handedly for about six seconds before Ironman eventually came and bailed him out. Now that is a lot of Newtons but, is it more impressive than Toby Maguire’s famous train stopping scene from Spider-Man 2? To determine how many Newtons Toby’s character applied let’s check in with Newtons second law of motion, shall we? Which tells us that force exerted by Spider-Man is equal to the mass of the train times the rate at which he brings the trains to a stop. A New York City subway car weighs in at about 33,000 kilograms and the train in the scene actually has itself six cars. Shots inside the car suggest that the train is about half capacity. Meaning that the weight of the six cars plus the weight of the passengers inside, is gonna’ be approximately 241,578 Kilograms in total. So that, my friends, is our mass. As for our acceleration or in this case DEceleration we see Toby’s character bringing the train from exactly 80 MPH to 0 MPH in 47 seconds. That means the rate of deceleration is going to be 0.752 meters per second^2 Plug em’ into the formula and we get ourselves 182,000 newtons of force which, is way less than what Tom Hollands Spider-Man had to exert I mean let’s give Toby’s character some credit for pushing his body to the limits for 47 grueling seconds compared to Tom Holland’s relatively breezy 6 seconds but there is no way around it, Tom Holland’s Spider-Man exerted over 170 times as much force in his Hercules Hold. Tom’s Spider-Man is definitely the stronger of these two. So, where does Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man fit in? At a glance, holding a 2011 Chrysler Town and Country as it dangles over a bridge doesn’t seem quite as impressive as stopping a train and wouldn’t you know it, it’s not. The Town and Country has a curb weight of 4,652 pounds but, let’s call it an even 4,800 with a kid inside plus whatever personal items the family might have in the trunk. Andrew’s character is pulling directly against the direction of gravity so we can easily use Newtons second law of motion once again to determine to force involved in Andrew’s Hercules Hold. Which comes out to be roughly 21,000 Newtons. Now, that is a far cry from the force Tom and Toby were exerting. Plus, Andrew’s grip eventually gives out just after 40 seconds. Get good Andrew Garfield. So, Tom Holland’s and the MCU’ Spider-Man wins the strength category in a landslide. He gets himself three points, Toby gets two points for second place, and Andrew gets one point for last place but, a point in my heart for that beautiful hair. Next up, Webbing. Not only is it Spider-Man’s weapon of choice, it’s also his mode of transportation. So, webs are going to play a huge role in any Spider-Man vs. Spider-Man fight which of our three Spider-Men have the best, most versatile strongest web? Spoiler alert! It’s Tom Holland’s Spider-Man and it’s not even close. Spider-Man in the MCU has the Tony Stark Advantage™ when it comes to webbing. 576 pre-loaded web shooter combinations Sticky-web, Ricochet-web, Taser-web, Stun-web, Spider tracers, Rapid-fire, Web grenades, Web wings WEB WINGS PEOPLE There is no two ways around this one. Tom’s character wins the web war and he has the Tony Stark to thank for it. So, now it’s just a battle for runner up position Andrew Garfield’s webbing is also man-made The downside to this though is that he could potentially run out of web fluid or get separated from his web-shooters while in battle. The upside is that he’s able to tweak his web formula and make it impervious to electricity for example. However, it’s tough to imagine electricity playing a major role in a Spider-Man vs. Spider-Man fight So, who knows how beneficial this improvement that we see in the movies would actually be for our purposes in today’s episode. In Toby’s case meanwhile, his webbing is created in vivo. He’s not able to manipulate his organic webbing but on the plus side, he’s never going to run out. Except on the rare occasions when he’s like you know, super sad and stuff. But, as impressive as Toby’s train scene is as a demonstration of his strength it might be an even more impressive for his webbing. are all on full display in a way that
Andrew Garfield’s web never is in the amazing spider-man films and if Andrews
Peter Parker had made more elastic webbing maybe when Stacy would have had
herself a smoother landing at the end of the amazing spider-man 2 so Tom Holland
wins the webbing category hands-down and receives himself another three points
got to give second place to Tobey Maguire for that organic unlimited
webbing that’s pretty much the equivalent of real spider so which yet
again leaves Andrew Garfield’s amazing spider-man once again in the final
position looks like Tom’s running away with this thing but that’s a fast there
is one final category to discuss agility will use agility as a catch-all category
for spider-man’s nimbleness speed and reaction time of which spider sense is a
major part first let’s acknowledge a couple agility similarities between our
three spider-man all three see more or less capable of avoiding bullets praise
and all three Peter Parker’s have similar foot speed trust me
I went through their running footage frame by frame and they’re all just
within a few miles per hour of each other nothing so major that it merits
mentioning here but reaction time is where the spider-man really
start to differentiate themselves because not all spider senses are
created equally let’s start off by acknowledging that all three Peter
Parker’s have sporadic use of their spider sense at best they all appear to
have a grasp on it for only a fraction of the time resulting in them getting
surprised by things like this and this and this but when they are wielding
their spider sense it’s a metric we can totally use for comparison in the first
tobey maguire spider-man film there’s a really useful sequence where we see his
spider sense in action from Peter Parker’s point of view the fly in
particular is helpful because we know a housefly beats its wings at about 200
times per second from Peter Parker’s point of view that fly is flapping its
wings two times in two point six to five seconds meaning his spider sense is
helping him see the world about 260 times slower than real time as for Tom
Hollands character there is very little evidence that his spider sense or Peter
tingle is very useful as it relates to reaction time at all for instance in
infinity war his spider sense only tingles after Thanos his ship has
already arrived at Planet Earth at a point where any normal kid on the bus
could have glanced out the window and seen this thing so his Peter tingle
seems to be more of a state of alertness rather than an ability to experience the
world in slow-mo and react to life that much faster as for Andrew Garfield his
reaction times do appear to be enhanced host spider bite I mean snatching a fly
out of the air is pretty darn cool but it also doesn’t necessarily mean that
he’s seeing the world in slow-mo to the degree that Toby’s character does that
being said there is an argument to be made that Andrews spider sense is way
way way better than anyone we’ve ever seen in a movie ever consider this scene
where he’s literally dodging bolts of electricity a visible bolt of lightning
travels at about a third of the speed of light or 220 billion miles an hour so
dodging a bolt of electricity is obviously far more impressive than say
seeing the world at 260 times slower than usual but is the
amazing part of the Amazing Spiderman the fact that he’s actively dodging
those electrical bolts or does electro just have himself a bad case of
stormtrooper aid let’s look at those slow-mo clips again if we go frame by
frame we see that spider-man is looking at electro before the bolt of lightning
is shocked we also see that he makes no elusive movement until after the bolt
passes beneath him looks like it’s fair to just chalk this one up to Electro’s
bad aim or more accurately the inconsistent CGI work from the people
working on this movie but wait Andrew still isn’t down and out just yet
sure he might be benefiting from Electro’s bad aim in this one scene but
in another scene we actually get a moment similar to Tobey Maguire’s fly
andrew is seeing the world in a slowed down state where he pulls a Jimmy
Neutron brain blast and predicts the movements of the electricity foreseeing
that it’s gonna go up the handrails and eventually hurt the civilians reaching
for them then we see him able to react accordingly in order to protect them
clearly this means he’s faster than electricity and thereby the fastest of
all our possible spider-man right well yes and no you see he’s certainly faster
than electricity the problem here is that he’s faster than electrodes
electricity and when you actually stop and do the math in these scenes these
things are actually shockingly slow pun definitely intended this panel is
happening on the TKTS booth in New York City’s Times Square the top of this
iconic stairwell is 45 feet across and we see Electro’s electricity travel to
the center of that handrail in exactly ten frames for a movie that runs 24
frames a second that’s five twelfths of a second to go twenty two and a half
feet extrapolating out that math we see that Electro’s lightning actually
travels at the astonishing speed of thirty-six point eight miles an hour
and when I say astonishing I mean astonishingly slow I mean that is
slightly faster than me driving through a school so but it’s clearly nowhere
close to the billions of miles our of actual lightning and it is still
significantly slower than the flapping of that flies wing
sorry Andrew Garfield I tried I just can’t justify giving you the win here
the fly snatching is admittedly more impressive than anything Tom Holland
exhibits though so the totals have been tallied can we get ourselves a drumroll
please all right if that’s the best you got in third place with four points we
have Andrew Garfield spider-man gold star for being smart and sciency and all
but this ain’t no gold star contest just like it ain’t no best hair contest just
get over it look at the volume of that hair it’s no wonder he’s a movie stars
were just lowly youtubers next up coming in with seven points we have a two-way
tie for first place that’s right we all thought the table was gonna run away
with this thing but it turns out that Toby has the grip strength to barely
hold on so there you have it folks in the Battle of spider-man’s there is no
clear winner we dug in exam the data and no clear winner could wait a minute my
theorist tingle is going crazy I’m sensing a lot of you screaming at your
screams right now because there’s a spider-man movie I haven’t mentioned yet
it’s a feature-length spider-man movie it had itself a theatrical release and
even though it’s not part of a franchise it should be considered according to the
rules that I laid out earlier that movie is of course spider-man into the spider
verse but how do we go about comparing the animated characters in spider verse
to the live-action characters in the franchise’s easily actually because one
of our live-action spider-man actually crosses over into spider verse or at
least one of his multiverse equivalents crosses into spider-verse see there’s a
compelling theory that Tobey Maguire’s Peter B Parker is the exact same Peter B
Parker featured a meme to the spider verse and the theory is supported by the
fact that the producers at one point considered casting Tobey Maguire as
Peter B Parker’s voice I mean it’s come out since after the movies released that
Peter B Parker in the movie isn’t actually the same spider-man that we see
in the Sam Raimi movies but he’s definitely going through the same types
of adventures and life experiences so even though he’s not the exact one he’s
pretty much a multiverse stand-in for the exact one so by the transitive
property of equality that would mean that Peter B Parker from
into the spider-verse equals Tobey Maguire’s spider-man from the Sam Raimi
trilogy which would then also equal Tom Hollands MCU spider-man they are all
relatively equal spider-man so if we want to know how Toby and Tom would
stack up against the other Spidey’s and into the spider verse all we need to do
is look at how Peter beep Parker stacks up to off first let’s look at penny
Parker and the spider mob from their performance in spider verse we know
enough about this duo to not give them the win despite being highly ranked on
all the usual Spiderman comparison lists spider is a dud in spider-verse winds up
being the only Spidey character defeated in the final group battle as for
spider-gwen spider-man Noir and spider cam they don’t necessarily prove
themselves stronger than Peter B Parker during the end fight either all three of
them fight valiantly and at least survived the final battle but so does
Peter B Parker no matter how badly I want to give this win to spider-ham
I just can’t these three cameo Spidey’s just didn’t have large enough roles in
spider-verse to separate themselves out from the rest of the field sorry but da
da da da that’s all folks however miles gives us a lot to work
with throughout this movie he goes directly head-to-head with Peter B
Parker who remember we’ve established is our Tobey Maguire character standing
miles is invisibility lets him get the best of Doc Ock whereas Peter B Parker
is easily captured by her plus miles successfully steals the goober away from
Peter B Parker without him knowing it later in the movie miles in Peter B
Parker go at it while fighting kingpin and in the end miles proves himself a
better fighter by getting the best of Peter be true miles is going against an
older out-of-shape Peter B Parker but the flip side of that
coin is that miles has only possessed his powers for a few days at this point
he hasn’t had any time to properly hone his skills and reach his full potential
seems more than fair to consider Peter B Parker’s old age balanced out against
miles ‘as inexperience so in the end Peter B Parker who’s as strong a
spider-man as our live action choices have to offer gets himself
bested by Miles Morales in a direct head-to-head confrontation and that can
only mean one thing Miles Morales wins in a battle royale
against all the different Spider Men Tobey Maguire and Tom Holland may
portray the strongest Peter Parker’s in cinema but Peter Parker is no match for
Miles Morales the strongest spider-man in all the films just goes to show that
the best spider-man film also happens to contain the best spider-man but hey
that’s just a theory a film theory and if you want to see
more spider-man content check out this video on the left where I analyze the
physics of spider-man’s deadly web slinging it turns out that spider-man
should have died multiple times over regardless of his super-strength or
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100 thoughts on “Film Theory: Spiderman vs Spiderman Battle Royale!”

  1. The Film Theorists

    Since a lot of people are asking about the Far From Home finale, two things we factored in but didn't expressly write into the episode:

    1. Across BOTH MCU movies, Peter's use of the Spider Sense is inconsistent, just like the other Spidermen. Writers tend to "forget" that it exists when they need to put Spider-Man in danger, and so sure, Tom Holland ends the movie having "mastered" the sense, but we have no evidence that he'll be able to continue using it from this point forward (and we guessed he probably won't, because it'll make him too OP if he can predict EVERY move headed his way). We have to go by what we've seen…and his sense up until the end of FFH hasn't been great.
    2. Yes, he "masters" the Spider Sense at the end, but is it giving him faster reactions times? He's able to SEE THROUGH THE ILLUSIONS of Mysterio…which helps him avoid bullets and avoid the gun…but his REACTION TIME is still on par with the other Spidermen (at least when it comes to avoiding LOTS of bullets, which they all can do). It gave him better intuition. So again, largely a wash when compared to the other portrayals of the character.

    Don't get me wrong…Tom Holland is my FAVORITE Spider-Man. But FFH didn't give us the confidence that the Spider Sense was that much better than anyone else's. As such, when it comes to power set, in our estimation, Miles in Spiderverse still wins.

    But like I said, it's a theory. There are TONS of ways to analyze the question. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's thoughts on the issue — keep 'em coming!

  2. Saying Miles beat Peter is a stretch. He tripped peter while peter's guard was down, and Peter took this as a sign that Miles was ready.

  3. That Spiderverse section was like seeing someone get the right answer to a math problem despite doing the work wrong.

    I get the impression that the scripting towards the end had to be rushed in order to meet a deadline, presumably so the Theorists could get this out by the time Far From Home rolled in.

  4. If Toby went all three rounds in second place gaining 2 points each round he should have 6 points. If Tom won first place in two rounds and third in one he should have 3+3+1=7. I rest my case

  5. TOM HOLLAND SPIDER-MAN IS YOUNGER THANTHE OTHER TWO SO HE HAS LESS EXPERIENCE IN THESE THANGS SO LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!😡😭😡😭😡😭

  6. But can you really say that miles bested peter? they weren't even fighting, miles sucker kicked him, who's to say in a hand to hand fight he'd be able to do the same

  7. I don't think that's really accurate as the peter parker in into the spiderverse is a wastrel and is below his prime for that matter. I'm not trying to uplift tom Holland as a fan boy, but I honestly do not believe miles moralize(sorry if spelled incorrectly) is better then him
    Close, yes. Better, no.

  8. Hey now you forgot to add what happened in Infinity War Peter could sense what was about to happen to him before he died so he could sense his own death before it even started to happen

  9. So, about the C-17 Globemaster III scene, Tom basically steers it after it has lost an entire engine. You can't tell me that's less force than the ferry scene.

  10. Matt lemme stop you right there, you remember when spiderman was about to be dusted? The reason why he started freaking out and crying was because his spider scene started tingling letting him know what was about to happen before it happened.

  11. Miles shouldn't be the winner he doesn't have any strength feeds, agility, and he has a limited amount of web fluid so Tobys spider man should be the winner. The older version of Tobys spider man would count because that's not him at his best.

  12. Your math is wrong… Toby has 7 points but Tom has 8… screwed up the final math like you did with the magical school episode

  13. Holland's SM has about 1000 webs tying the ship together to help him for those 6 seconds, which makes sense because no incarnation of SM could ever do that by himself. Maguire on the other hand was the only one exerting all the force on his webs to stop the train.

  14. I feel like a big issue with this theory is the Stark suit that Holland spider-man has makes things related to the scaling awkward. Its stated the suit does not just make him stronger, but also is how he has special webbing. If its a battle of pure spidermen he is likely not just the physically weakest but also the least likely to even be able to handle the fight. While Toby and Andrew spidermen have a greater shown intelligence than Tom spiderman, even though he is a smart kid. Also another thing to think about with Toby is he was the only one who was exposed to venom and with what was laid out that could tip things further for Toby.

    Also saying that makes me want to see Miles with a symbiote.

  15. Well if you consider the fact that the peter b parker doesn’t have organic webs and you make that a significant point soo is he truly equal

  16. I honestly want Toby to win but at the same time I can’t argue with the facts, I’m still waiting for an all out fight though

  17. Miles would‘not be stronger than peter. Yes he manages to make him slip in a fight once but he shows barely any feats that can compare to peters in the movies.

  18. You were using The Amazing Spider-Man and not tobey Maguire spider man

    Spoilers ahead!

    Tobey Maguire spider man died in the beginning of the movie. This is a vital mistake

  19. my commen sense tingles are telling me THAT TOM HOLLAND IS THE BEST SPIDEY EASILY probably it would be like naruto v sasauge just with miles and mcu peter

  20. Ok matpat I️ have 2 aces that completely debunk the fact miles would win, 1 tom holland Spider-Man has an instant kill mode which we only see used once and only with the robotic arms and we see it tear through the outriders we don’t even see Tom Holland do anything and 2 yes miles can turn invisible but as seen in far from home spoilers btw Tom holland spider man knows where the drones are coming and how to attack them at perfect times WITH HIS EYES CLOSED not to mention he KNEW Quentin was going to try and shoot him by pulling one last trick BEFORE HE EVEN SAW QUENTIN so Tom Holland spider man would win miles morales would be a close second tobey would be third and Andrew would be fourth

  21. So MatPat, why didn't you factor Blonde Peter into this fight? It's not like he doesn't have feats.
    -We see him knock out Green Goblin with a punch at least once, which has no comparable feats in the movie. Green Goblin gets back up pretty quick, sure, but that's realistic for a concussion.
    -He reverses the trajectory and velocity of an incoming sedan, sending it flying right on top of Dr. Octopus, who threw it in the first place. (Again, with a single punch.)
    -He casually stops the centrifuge type thing on the collider, by strongarming a piece of metal that appears to be roughly the same size and shape as a jet engine. There seem to be around 6-8 of these things on the centrifuge, and he stops all that mass with one arm, and seems to be holding himself in place with just his sticking ability.
    -He infiltrated Alchemax all on his own, and since there is no sign or talk of break-ins that we see, it could be inferred that he went undetected. (Something that Spider-Gwen, who you also failed to mention, also did. Seriously, if we can mention Miles, we should mention Gwen. She's the only character in the movie that beats Doc Ock in solo combat, albeit by surprise.)
    -He keeps up with Prowler in close combat, even though Prowler was unexpected. For reference, Prowler later puts Peter B in a stalemate, and he does it a whole lot quicker than he did with Blondie.
    -He has 10 years of experience. Only Peter B is confirmed to have been at this longer.
    In addition to this, he also has the train stopping feat, and the glorious Spider-Man 3 dance.

  22. Regarding the spider sense, I feel like you are selling Tom Holland's version short.
    Yes, anyone could look out the window and see the ship. The sense doesn't tell him that he can SEE something. It tells him there's a threat. He detected the ship, with his spider sense, from MILES away. In a more close range sense, he was aware of the Guardians' approach about half a minute before they actually started their attack.

  23. You are just a joke. Did you just lump in Tom Holland's Spidey with all these fodder just because ? Tobey=Tom since when ? What the hel ltype of stupid fallac y is this ? You are a clown.

  24. Toby stopped a train going 120 you low balled his train stopping feat by a long shot, and Tom didn't even hold the ferry together that much he spun webs to hold it together before just pulling the front of it unlike Toby stopping the full force of that train

  25. Actually the strongest Spider-Man shows up at the end of spider verse Spider-Man 2099 Miguel O’Hara and it glimpses at a new movie lol probably something doing with time traveling and saving the future from the like weird Spider-Man apocalypse with like humans and spider genetically mutated together lol in a creepy way… that or ultimate spider……but that’s just my theory… there’s probably Spider-Man god that’s stronger than than all.

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